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	<title>Comments on: Andrew Humbled By Hungry Kids Of Hungary</title>
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	<description>..lives in Brisbane, Australia. He talks to fascinating people and discusses music, writing and the web.</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 19:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Anwyn Crawford discusses live music review techniques at Andrew McMillen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anwyn Crawford discusses live music review techniques at Andrew McMillen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 13:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Anwyn doesn&#8217;t consider herself as a freelance writer, because in her own words, &#8221;I probably only publish about three articles a year&#8221;. That said: she knows her shit. I&#8217;m holding her advice on par with what Andrew Ramadge told me last year. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Anwyn doesn&#8217;t consider herself as a freelance writer, because in her own words, &#8221;I probably only publish about three articles a year&#8221;. That said: she knows her shit. I&#8217;m holding her advice on par with what Andrew Ramadge told me last year. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Vine review: Porcupine Tree @ The Tivoli, February 2010 at Andrew McMillen</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Vine review: Porcupine Tree @ The Tivoli, February 2010 at Andrew McMillen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 03:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This is not to say that a good writer can&#8217;t praise a band. I still nominate to review shows by bands whose music I&#8217;m familiar with, and usually fond of. I&#8217;m not sure how to define it, but I think that an important self-realisation has to take place before a music writer can put aside the urge to praise and describe, and instead rely on gut instincts and feelings to shape their work. Still the best advice I&#8217;ve received is from Andrew Ramadge, who I think of whenever I write about music. The most important question I have to answer: what does it feel like? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This is not to say that a good writer can&#8217;t praise a band. I still nominate to review shows by bands whose music I&#8217;m familiar with, and usually fond of. I&#8217;m not sure how to define it, but I think that an important self-realisation has to take place before a music writer can put aside the urge to praise and describe, and instead rely on gut instincts and feelings to shape their work. Still the best advice I&#8217;ve received is from Andrew Ramadge, who I think of whenever I write about music. The most important question I have to answer: what does it feel like? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: A Conversation With Andrew Ramadge, news.com.au and music journalist at Andrew McMillen</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Conversation With Andrew Ramadge, news.com.au and music journalist at Andrew McMillen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] technology for news.com.au, and music for Mess+Noise and The Brag. He came to my rescue when I was humbled by Hungry Kids Of Hungary. He&#8217;s written a lot, but my favourite article of his - the one that really brought him to my [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] technology for news.com.au, and music for Mess+Noise and The Brag. He came to my rescue when I was humbled by Hungry Kids Of Hungary. He&#8217;s written a lot, but my favourite article of his - the one that really brought him to my [...]</p>
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		<title>By: If I Were An Unpublished Australian Trying To Become A Music Writer at Andrew McMillen</title>
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		<dc:creator>If I Were An Unpublished Australian Trying To Become A Music Writer at Andrew McMillen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 08:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The learning curve here for a street press- or FasterLouder-styled writer is steep, as I&#8217;ve discussed. They won&#8217;t publish just anything; the site&#8217;s reputation hinges on this ideal. But if [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The learning curve here for a street press- or FasterLouder-styled writer is steep, as I&#8217;ve discussed. They won&#8217;t publish just anything; the site&#8217;s reputation hinges on this ideal. But if [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kate H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 04:09:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep - I am similarly pleased you shared this lesson with us all. Not only can it teach most of us something, it was also a good read! Every good narrative has character development, right? And yours developed! Bonza!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep - I am similarly pleased you shared this lesson with us all. Not only can it teach most of us something, it was also a good read! Every good narrative has character development, right? And yours developed! Bonza!</p>
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		<title>By: Hans van vliet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hans van vliet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 10:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post man, so glad to know a person that has the drive to figure out if there is truth to what someone has said about themselves.  Even more amazing that you implemented it and changed it.

So great.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post man, so glad to know a person that has the drive to figure out if there is truth to what someone has said about themselves.  Even more amazing that you implemented it and changed it.</p>
<p>So great.</p>
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		<title>By: TDW</title>
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		<dc:creator>TDW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 14:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome post here.

It's like doing a group essay or report at uni, you split the parts up between everybody but in order to get good results it has to read like one person wrote it. That requires constructive criticism, but people are often far too touchy about their egos to consider the true meaning of the end result. I always try to stress that emotion should be taken out of the equation for university essays/reports. Otherwise you churn out crap.

So well done on learning a valuable lesson here. It's the hard ones that give the best results. I may check out Mess+Noise too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome post here.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s like doing a group essay or report at uni, you split the parts up between everybody but in order to get good results it has to read like one person wrote it. That requires constructive criticism, but people are often far too touchy about their egos to consider the true meaning of the end result. I always try to stress that emotion should be taken out of the equation for university essays/reports. Otherwise you churn out crap.</p>
<p>So well done on learning a valuable lesson here. It&#8217;s the hard ones that give the best results. I may check out Mess+Noise too!</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Hickey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Hickey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 07:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Andrew,

Like the second review. I'm always getting told my reviews are too technical etc, probably because I studied production and don't really listen to words so I know how you feel!

Appreciating music comes so naturally that I often assume reviewing it will be just as easy but I'm often re-drafting and re-considering the way it's written.

That said, I think it's far more acceptable to do "track by track" reviews of EPs since there's not many tracks and it's rarely compiled as an album would be, but hey, I love Mess + Noise so I'm willing to listen to Darren.

Nice one buddy. Look forward to more.

M</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Andrew,</p>
<p>Like the second review. I&#8217;m always getting told my reviews are too technical etc, probably because I studied production and don&#8217;t really listen to words so I know how you feel!</p>
<p>Appreciating music comes so naturally that I often assume reviewing it will be just as easy but I&#8217;m often re-drafting and re-considering the way it&#8217;s written.</p>
<p>That said, I think it&#8217;s far more acceptable to do &#8220;track by track&#8221; reviews of EPs since there&#8217;s not many tracks and it&#8217;s rarely compiled as an album would be, but hey, I love Mess + Noise so I&#8217;m willing to listen to Darren.</p>
<p>Nice one buddy. Look forward to more.</p>
<p>M</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 07:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The first time my MD sat me down and did a re-write of a business letter that left me feeling all of 10cm tall. That was ... oh ... eight years ago now?

Since then I've done thousands of re-writes here at work. It's helped. It really has. 

I still do re-writes every week. Usually it's tweaks. Occasionally, something is completely off-base. But it's a rare day to not have to change anything at all. 

My experience has given me the belief that editing is s something that a writer should not simply accept reluctantly -- although I completely understand the ego-impact of "shit can't I ever get anything right the first time?!" -- but actively welcome.

We learn the craft of words through the act of writing, but we also learn from others' ideas and feedback.

Others write differently from me. They think differently from me. Others help me be a writer in a way that I couldn't be by myself. Sometimes that's a better writer. Sometimes it's merely a different one. But I think it's inescapably to the good.

One of my great disappointments with Fasterlouder and Rave has always been lack of feedback. I joined FL in search of it; I don't think I've ever received anything more than the most general "it's good stuff". There just doesn't seem to be a culture for it, and that's kinda sad, because I think that other's input could help me (and other writers) improve more.

If you want some inexpert expert advice based on that initial draft: your adverbs are creating fat in the article. Lose them where you can; use them sparingly. A good friend who used to work in a New York paper gave me that advice several years ago. It helped tighten my writing a great deal.

I also like that second version much more. The first version ok. But the second is tauter, and it tells me an story that piques my interest. This is crucial because, frankly, I don't give a flying damn about the lyrical content and meaning in music -- I just want the sound.

And before you go beating yourself with the I'm useless stick -- some days the output is just average for whatever reason. You accept it and move on, because next time you just might create a pearler.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first time my MD sat me down and did a re-write of a business letter that left me feeling all of 10cm tall. That was &#8230; oh &#8230; eight years ago now?</p>
<p>Since then I&#8217;ve done thousands of re-writes here at work. It&#8217;s helped. It really has. </p>
<p>I still do re-writes every week. Usually it&#8217;s tweaks. Occasionally, something is completely off-base. But it&#8217;s a rare day to not have to change anything at all. </p>
<p>My experience has given me the belief that editing is s something that a writer should not simply accept reluctantly &#8212; although I completely understand the ego-impact of &#8220;shit can&#8217;t I ever get anything right the first time?!&#8221; &#8212; but actively welcome.</p>
<p>We learn the craft of words through the act of writing, but we also learn from others&#8217; ideas and feedback.</p>
<p>Others write differently from me. They think differently from me. Others help me be a writer in a way that I couldn&#8217;t be by myself. Sometimes that&#8217;s a better writer. Sometimes it&#8217;s merely a different one. But I think it&#8217;s inescapably to the good.</p>
<p>One of my great disappointments with Fasterlouder and Rave has always been lack of feedback. I joined FL in search of it; I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve ever received anything more than the most general &#8220;it&#8217;s good stuff&#8221;. There just doesn&#8217;t seem to be a culture for it, and that&#8217;s kinda sad, because I think that other&#8217;s input could help me (and other writers) improve more.</p>
<p>If you want some inexpert expert advice based on that initial draft: your adverbs are creating fat in the article. Lose them where you can; use them sparingly. A good friend who used to work in a New York paper gave me that advice several years ago. It helped tighten my writing a great deal.</p>
<p>I also like that second version much more. The first version ok. But the second is tauter, and it tells me an story that piques my interest. This is crucial because, frankly, I don&#8217;t give a flying damn about the lyrical content and meaning in music &#8212; I just want the sound.</p>
<p>And before you go beating yourself with the I&#8217;m useless stick &#8212; some days the output is just average for whatever reason. You accept it and move on, because next time you just might create a pearler.</p>
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		<title>By: Darragh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darragh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 04:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is a really interesting exchange Andrew and I'm glad you shared it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is a really interesting exchange Andrew and I&#8217;m glad you shared it.</p>
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